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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 17:58:29 GMT -5
To start off, I'm going to just remind that I do respect most of the seniors on BH, BUT, I do have a problem with many of the way some of them act and what they do on the server. My main problem is senior's use of creative. While I do agree that it is necessary for several things such as for the mansion regen, or any other region that needs to be regenerated. However, I do not think that it should be used for builds, regardless if they are public. I have seen several places where creative blocks are used where they were not necessary. I do not see why you need command blocks for an ISS, bedrock for a shulker station, or barriers surrounding a polar bear or creeper. As people have pointed out, this is because of the faulty claim system (when talking about the barriers), but this is unfair to the regular players who cant defend their own stuff. Some seniors are using this specific example to also defend the whole thing, but there is absolutely NO reason for command blocks or bedrock. Another point that people mentioned was the fact that seniors get annoyed with players and should receive "payment" for their strife. But this is also contradictory because they would like to be treated like "regular players" but then have abilities/privileges that actual regular players do not. I understand that seniors work hard (most of them), and that they do constantly get annoyed, but they knew the responsibilities when they accepted the position. A simple solution to this problem is by going ghost(making it so that your ign is not shown in the player list). Again, this is not without its flaws, as you cannot play with other players as easily, but this is the most logical solution. Just because you get annoyed, should not mean that you get access to special blocks. I know several players that go through similar things despite not being a senior (ie: eve)m and they receive nothing, and they shouldn't, no one should in all honesty. To close out I will try to sum it up simply: Seniors should only use creative when needed, and should be treated like regular players. BUT they should still help players when they need it (not necessarily right away and only when it is a legitimate concern).
*And I reposted this because when I previously posted it I was not given an answer/solution. I was told that the problem was solved in discord. So if people are going to complain about me not using the forums, actually answer me in the forums. Its the "non-official" server anyway, I shouldn't have to refer to that for my answer. Its hypocritical. Also it wasn't even really solved in discord, I read through and saw no solution. And one last thing(unrelated to this problem), for those telling me that this doesn't belong in general discussion, where is it supposed to go? Its not a player report, and the description on Server Issues made it seem like that was only for technical problems such as plugin bugs and lag issues.*
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Post by Adorkable on Jul 4, 2017 19:51:10 GMT -5
This belongs in player reporting because your issue is from what players have done. Seniors are players too.
Hayan has asked Los to remove barrier blocks in Apollo and the cosmetic command block on the ISS. Therefore personal use of items you can not access yourself will be removed. This is the solution provided from the server owner for your complaint.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 20:02:50 GMT -5
Well that's part of the problem (and thanks for actually answering), but there is also the thing with the bedrock and the barriers that are in other locations. And its not really a player report, its a complaint about the way that seniors using creative, not the seniors themselves. I'm not trying to get them banned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 22:52:00 GMT -5
I've tried placing things down there. I cant
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Post by brady1190 on Jul 5, 2017 1:16:27 GMT -5
As i can see you just want them tl be equal to us. As i said on discord seniors must have some spiecial things because not only they have to tolerate with each and every single player that bombards them with question but also because they give money to improve the server. Last but not least i am pretty sure that if you had such blocks you would be defending yourself and your benefit. So please stop trying to underestimate the word senior.
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Post by Tiberaus on Jul 5, 2017 2:55:24 GMT -5
DJ, without trying to sound rude, please take a chill pill and consider more things than fairness when you post.
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Post by Wixler_17 on Jul 5, 2017 10:21:58 GMT -5
Also, please read the server fate discussion completely before posting anything else here
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 11:16:47 GMT -5
Brady, as I've said, If they would like to be treated like regular players, then only have access to things that regular players have, its that simple. Also I'm fairly sure that not all seniors donate money to the server(and if they do, my bad). And if I wouldnt even care if I had access to those blocks. I probably wouldn't even use them, and definitely not for personal reasons.
And Tiberius, it is considering more than that. It is also considering the fun of other players. Maybe you are used to seniors always having these blocks, but for a new player, if they found out about it, it would most likely drive them away. It is also considering the health of the server (as far as population goes) and the amount of fun that these players will have. And one last thing, dont try to act all big and bad on the forums when you block me on discord because you realize you couldn't come up with any legitimate rebuttal.
Finally, Wixler, I read through it and my opinion still stands.
Oh and dork, I checked and Los hasn't removed them yet, and I wouldn't have a problem with that IF he hadn't removed my apollo sign and EB chest(also without even telling me, which is a completely different problem I wont really worry about that much). If he had time to get rid of that, he had time to get rid of the command blocks and barriers. ANd one more problem with this is that he used his senior abilities to give me my stuff back. He accessed my inventory and put the stuff from my EB chest in there. He runs Apollo as a regular player, he should not use senior abilities to do something that if a regular player would have to do, would have to go out of their way to do. That's also unfair to players who are mayors of regions and then kick other players out
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 14:59:46 GMT -5
You are not even listening to what Im saying. It's not the fact that I don't have it. As I said, I don't even want it. Which you would know that if you actually read it. It's pointless to have those blocks. And you might as well get rid of them since that would be fair and easy. I know it doesn't give them any technical advantage, but it is unfair regardless. And I have seen plenty of people that agree with me, you just haven't because they've already left the server. Well blood agrees with me too, and he was making comments in the discord about it, so yes you have.
And I'm only complaining about SOME seniors. Which you would know that if you actually listened. I respect the majority of the seniors. And I never said that they didn't do their jobs. I said that some of them get really bitter when you ask them something, and again, not all of them. I'm not even talking about seniors.
Finally, I'm not jealous. I have a serious concern about the server. As I mentioned, most new players wont find it fair either, and thus may not play on the server. If you want the server to continue to grow, why not change a few simple things that would do so? Also, lamp is not a senior, he has bedrock. Its not like that region (corners) is a popular one where people actually need to check their shulker boxes. Him and maybe 2 other people are the only ones who use that region, and its lamp claim, he can put shulker boxes down where ever he wants, it is not necessary at all.
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Post by BlueMoonWarrior on Jul 5, 2017 15:10:18 GMT -5
Things like this are the exact reason to why Hayan wants to shutdown the server for good.
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Post by brady1190 on Jul 5, 2017 15:40:10 GMT -5
Yeah so because we want to play on this server please if you have problems with this thing leave and find a server that doesnt have such things. However you must know that this server is one of the few that there are no ops. Ops are far different from seniors. Seniors are MAINLY normal players that have some special features. Ops ban kill and use command block features from their own profit and i mean commands like giving them money diamomds and such stuff. Seniors are not allowed to do so. They use some commands blocks which uses are though restricted. And please dont start saying stop telling me about leaving the server this wont solve the problems. This the only solution if you disagree with some basic server functions. Plus if you want to not bave such problems make your own server on which i bet you will make things by using creative. End of story.
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Post by Smitty_77 on Jul 5, 2017 16:57:28 GMT -5
Brady, as I've said, If they would like to be treated like regular players, then only have access to things that regular players have, its that simple. Also I'm fairly sure that not all seniors donate money to the server(and if they do, my bad). And if I wouldnt even care if I had access to those blocks. I probably wouldn't even use them, and definitely not for personal reasons. And Tiberius, it is considering more than that. It is also considering the fun of other players. Maybe you are used to seniors always having these blocks, but for a new player, if they found out about it, it would most likely drive them away. It is also considering the health of the server (as far as population goes) and the amount of fun that these players will have. And one last thing, dont try to act all big and bad on the forums when you block me on discord because you realize you couldn't come up with any legitimate rebuttal. Finally, Wixler, I read through it and my opinion still stands. Oh and dork, I checked and Los hasn't removed them yet, and I wouldn't have a problem with that IF he hadn't removed my apollo sign and EB chest(also without even telling me, which is a completely different problem I wont really worry about that much). If he had time to get rid of that, he had time to get rid of the command blocks and barriers. ANd one more problem with this is that he used his senior abilities to give me my stuff back. He accessed my inventory and put the stuff from my EB chest in there. He runs Apollo as a regular player, he should not use senior abilities to do something that if a regular player would have to do, would have to go out of their way to do. That's also unfair to players who are mayors of regions and then kick other players out Regarding to the portion where you said he hasn't removed them yet, that is correct. Los has not been on long enough to do much of anything in the past month. Your chest/sign was removed my a Lord/Lady, surely. They cannot remove command blocks because they are not "OPPED." As for everything else, I HONESTLY do not see this as a "tantrum." I see it as you're expressing how you feel about the said situation, although, I do not think that the seniors having creative is a problem, but using blocks that cannot be obtained in survival, is a problem...to an extent. If it's for a public build, in a PUBLIC region, I think its okay, as long as it benefits all players. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 17:41:15 GMT -5
Brady, if you want to get your point across to me, I ask that you retype or edit that, because half of that made no sense. But if I did have a server (which I don't plan on making one), I sure would not build anything in creative (If I called it a vanilla server).
Dork, you are making an understatement about "a couple blocks". They are blocks that you ONLY have access to in creative, and that shouldn't be used on a smp (not for cosmetics at least) And for the last time, I am not jealous. I do not want those blocks. I just do not see the point of seniors having them. Its pointless. I don't resent the seniors themselves. I just don't like the fact that they use those blocks, nothing against them. And yes, my complaint did change some. It changed because I was wrong about a few things as people pointed out, and I accept that. Im not too prideful that I wont admit that I'm wrong(like some people). But for the most part, I stand by my original point.
And Smitty, I don't think that a Lord/Lady could have put items into my inventory, but one may have deleted my sign. And I do agree with your final statement. However, in some public builds, they are not necessary. Besides the bedrock for PUBLIC shulker box stations, There is no need for barrier blocks in certain places where glass could simply be used. And people have said that "its too protect things incase of claim glitches", but there is no need for the barriers in the shulker box station in newtown. It's not "protecting" anything if it gets unclaimed, nor is the barriers around the charged creeper. If people really wanted to, they would find a way to destroy it when claims go away (and most of the time when claims do go away the situation is handled quickly. I doubt people are going to run to newtown and say "IMMA KILL THAT CREEPER", there are better things to raid lol)
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Post by Adorkable on Jul 5, 2017 17:44:37 GMT -5
I'm done putting any energy into this conversation.
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