Smitty_77
Hermit-in-Training
I'm not arguing, i'm just explaining why i am right.
Posts: 81 
Title: Hoarder
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Post by Smitty_77 on Mar 30, 2017 8:23:15 GMT -5
I realize I have messed up,with many people. If you don't know the story, here it is: Hayan posted on discord, saying how people should post on the forums for anything senior related that needs solved. I get that. That makes sense. But my stupid self doesn't think that you should have to post on the forums if there is a perfectly good senior on. Now, if said senior is busy, or just doesn't want to do it, alright, fair enough. THEN I think posting on the forums would be perfect.
Now, do NOT start anything else. Do NOT start a battle you can not finish...If you have another problem with me, TELL ME HERE! I wont get mad, I just want to get this issue resolved on MY end.
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Post by LayaElisabeth on Mar 30, 2017 9:32:22 GMT -5
i don't wanna attack you, or start another endless discussion or anything can i just explain this from our (seniors) perspective?
i feel like you're kind of missing the point of the forums -correct me if i'm wrong- but the forums MUST be the first "go to".
to quote you: "But my stupid self doesn't think that you should have to post on the forums if there is a perfectly good senior on."
It might not seem that much effort to you for a senior to just answer "no" if someone asks for help.
But can you imagine coming online to 20 players, who might just all have something they wanna ask? whether it's in pm or public chat; it's annoying and unmotivating when 50% of your conversations exist of: "are you free", "do you have a minute", "have you seen the forums yet", "i NEED help", "are there seniors online".
Players coming online to ask for a senior first, BEFORE bothering to use the forums is exactly why some of the seniors are invisible 99% of the time. BUT; being invisible also means that we are exluded from the rest and unable to participate in conversations or talk and laugh with friends, just because it might expose us as being online and to be harassed.
I read that you understand it makes sense, but i hope you can also understand the reason behind WHY it makes sense.
ps:
because of an essentials "problem" seniors were constantly set to invisible all through last week.. and i must say, i've never felt so at ease..
And on top of that, i started checking the forums again, cause i admit; after months of ingame demands(!!) i got so tired of helping i just didn't feel like making time anymore for people who actually DID use the forum -which isn't right- and in turn only made ME feel worse about myself.
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Smitty_77
Hermit-in-Training
I'm not arguing, i'm just explaining why i am right.
Posts: 81
Title: Hoarder
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Post by Smitty_77 on Mar 30, 2017 10:29:46 GMT -5
"i don't wanna attack you, or start another endless discussion or anything can i just explain this from our (seniors) perspective?" THAT. THAT makes a good conversation. By NO means did you come off as attacking me, or rude. I can guarantee that none of this would have started if people (people in general, no-one specific) would all have talked like that.
And I see where you're coming from, i realize that. But i still do not see the point of having a forum post, when people just go to seniors, and like you said-"HAVE YOU READ THE FORUMS?!"
Honestly, I would love to join the server again, but its...different. Now, i feel like im not wanted. And thats fine, not trying to start a sob story for me.
Oh, and Laya, can you please elaborate?--ps:
because of an essentials "problem" seniors were constantly set to invisible all through last week.. and i must say, i've never felt so at ease..
And on top of that, i started checking the forums again, cause i admit; after months of ingame demands(!!) i got so tired of helping i just didn't feel like making time anymore for people who actually DID use the forum -which isn't right- and in turn only made ME feel worse about myself.
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Post by LayaElisabeth on Mar 30, 2017 11:01:20 GMT -5
ty ^^
and well.
everytime i logged on during the course of last week, i logged in to being invisible. no "laya joined the server", no appearance in tab, permanent invisibility effect, but apart from that /sv WAS active, whitout stating above my inventory that it was indeed active..
So; i had to toggle it on, which only activated the messg telling me i was invisible, which i allready figured out. then i had to toggle /sv again to finally turn it off for real, and then on top of that i had to drink a bucket of milk to clear the "invisibility **:**" effect.
only to be told 15 minutes later that AGAIN, i didn't show up in tab anymore and was in fact invisible once more without even doing anything.
i usually don't like playing in /sv cause it also prevents us from picking things up. Only; since this was different (being sv without officially being in /sv) i was still able to play normally, so half of the time i didn't even realize i was invisible once more.
But: since other players didn't know i was online half of the time, they also didn't bother me with all the "do you have a second" questions and i feel like i've had a week vacation on the server ^^ i've actually been able to spend allmost a week of time just working on my own projects.
And today i even felt the courage to check up on the forum again and catch up on what i've missed while i neglected the forum.
I was just so tired of being expected to jump at every players demand that i didn't feel like checking the forum anymore cause i knew that would just only add to the "workload" of me being a senior.
Also, i must say; i've seen people actually trying to solve their problems on their own first before making the effort of writing a forum post weirdly enough, all because their "is there a senior online" wasn't answered right away and they couldn't see us being online..
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Post by LayaElisabeth on Mar 30, 2017 11:40:05 GMT -5
also: with
"And I see where you're coming from, i realize that. But i still do not see the point of having a forum post, when people just go to seniors, and like you said-"HAVE YOU READ THE FORUMS?!" "
do you mean: it's dumb to make a thread and then asking a senior to read it, or iv they've allready read it, when it takes the same amount of time to just ask for help in the first place?
or do i get that statement wrong?
the way i understood it: that's the second thing we don't like.
If you have made the effort to write a thread or post, just wait patiently and we will get back on it. BUT i'm NOT going to pause my game when i plan half an hour to FINALLY build something for me.
even worse.. constantly pushing us to see their posts makes us NOT want to help out players OR results in seniors checking out those problems to finally have some calmness return, only to forget the ones patiently and quietly waiting in the background as we please.
this sort of environment is not only toxic to seniors but also to the players themselves cause it creates a morality that the more obnoxious you are, the faster we'll jump.
so no, the point is to ONLY make a forum post, and them wait till we answer. ONLY if after a week, still nobody told you anything regarding your post, you can kindly remind us cause yes, sometimes we forget. But making a post and immediately demand for us to take a look is obnoxious and might in the future lead to warnings, kicks and even complete muting.
-- there's a guy that has been 'neglected" in the grief reporting section. Because of all the ingame demands and "have you seen my post"'s he fell through the cracks,
and i have such respect for the guy, cause until i saw his post yesterday, he hasn't mentioned it anywhere.. he just patiently waited for us to look into it.
and yesterday finally we did.
But now i still feel bad, cause that 1 guy, who was patient and actually followed out guidelines, allmost ended up without help because a bunch of obnoxious brats who didn't. --
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Post by HayanTokki on Mar 30, 2017 13:49:20 GMT -5
You are always welcome back.
I created our system of seniors keeping in mind the stress of the load of carrying the server. But I also created it so that only certain types of people can properly be seniors. And these types of people make great seniors but can be very worn out carrying the server. This is why some of our seniors retire. It's not fun and it's rather unrewarding and it takes away time from why these people joined in the first place: to play and build the same as any other player.
This is why when seniors get elected in, they are kept anonymous until they want to be known or (in almost all cases) someone else ousts them.
I created the forum so that my end goal of all players being players can be kept. However legitimate a request or question is, it's really difficult and disheartening to have to try and handle all of them.
I had a breakdown last year, actually, when a player told me that especially since this is my server, I should be trying to help. That it's not right that I put it off to play for myself. That I'm rude and messed up. That I should care about the server.
I hope this gives you some insight into the lives of seniors. A lot of us also joined to be hermits, people who shy away or avoid civilization. So likewise for this reason, it is also draining and difficult to be a senior.
Apologies for the long scattered reply. At work and unable to write this out properly.
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Smitty_77
Hermit-in-Training
I'm not arguing, i'm just explaining why i am right.
Posts: 81
Title: Hoarder
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Post by Smitty_77 on Mar 30, 2017 14:28:33 GMT -5
Not a problem, hayan. Thanks for the insight. And laya, thank you as well. I just want to put all of this behind me, hopefully everyone else will, as well.
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Post by LayaElisabeth on Mar 30, 2017 15:14:41 GMT -5
also; something i just thought of. The forum system is Not only in place to release pressure on the seniors, but to guarantee a safe environment, fairness and uniformity in problemsolving and a learning platform for seniors as well as players.
if problems/requests/... are posted on the forum, it's easier for all seniors as a group to have an oversight and to keep up with everything that happens, actions that are taken or still need to be taken, in turn helping the seniors again as a group, to be able to be uniform in the handling of matter.
this to prevent 1 senior from immediately banning an x-rayer because he has had a rough day allready, while another senior only keeps giving warnings cause he doesn't really know how other seniors handle this.
it also allows us to keep track on re-occuring problems such as dissapearing adminclaims, players that others keep complaining about etc so we can reveal patterns in faulty plugins or look for underlying problems for a more definite solution.
if instead of a quick ingame fix, we can gather all those problems on a forum, it allows us, seniors, to learn from each other and to learn how to consequently deal with comparable situations in the same way. If we can keep an eye on the problems, we can also keep an eye on the solutions given for the problems and re-adjust too harsh a punishments, or step in if on the other hand a punishment wasn't severe enough for the incident.
Also, players can use the forums on their end to see if the problem they wanna write about allready came up in the forum and have a solution allready, to prevent seniors from having to fix the same old problems over and over again whilst it is as easily solved by the player him/herself.
example; how many times haven't the seniors been asked why their pistons don't work?? 9/10 it's because it's not all inside their claim.
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Post by blueleft on Mar 30, 2017 19:57:01 GMT -5
Respect
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